Jesurgislac’s Journal

November 16, 2008

Banned again…

You know, it’s one of those peculiarities of right-wing blogs; they complain a lot (a lot!) about how “liberals can’t tolerate dissent”… yet the one thing, routinely, they cannot tolerate is people showing up in their comment threads who don’t agree with them and can say why. I got banned from Family Scholars Blog back when they were still accepting comments; Maggie Gallagher shut down comments on her blog at least partly because I just kept showing up and pointing out she was talking nonsense: recently, I noticed, multiple threads just happened to get closed to comments because, er… I showed up! and

I’ve been banned again. I think that means I won the argument, since the loser I was debating can’t cope with it…

*grin*

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12 Comments »

  1. It’s funny how that happens, huh? LOVE that you’re fighting the good fight (and so eloquently! Oh, the ENVY!) Thanks for having my back over at the crazy place I pointed you to.
    And hey, is it just me, or do you get the feeling, when they say “they have no right to boycott! Not in this economy! They’re going to ruin businesses! They’re so SELFISH!” that not only does it prove our point that they have NO. IDEA. what “rights” are, but that the meaning of “boycott” also seems to elude them…?

    Comment by WaltzInExile — November 16, 2008 @ 2:32 am | Reply

  2. And hey, is it just me, or do you get the feeling, when they say “they have no right to boycott! Not in this economy! They’re going to ruin businesses! They’re so SELFISH!” that not only does it prove our point that they have NO. IDEA. what “rights” are, but that the meaning of “boycott” also seems to elude them…?

    Actually, I think it has a lot to do with their rock-solid belief that lesbians and gays are their inferiors, and have no goddamned right to get angry or hurt no matter how they’re treated.

    Comment by jesurgislac — November 16, 2008 @ 10:39 am | Reply

  3. You’re probably right. They do seem to be full of wonder at the reactions to Prop 8 passing, as if they were completely unaware that taking rights away from people might, oh….make them ANGRY? It used to make ME angry that they’d dare be so stunned, but then I realized that, at least in the case of the LDS, we’re dealing with people who, if the guy up front doesn’t say it on Sunday morning, cannot fathom that something might be true.

    Comment by waltzinexile — November 16, 2008 @ 3:52 pm | Reply

  4. Well, as long as you remain semi-civil, 🙂 you are on my blog. BTW, why aren’t you out picketing in front of black churches? The Rev Jackson (Harry, not Jesse) says Gay is Sin.

    Comment by standingfortruth2008 — November 16, 2008 @ 4:49 pm | Reply

  5. You might consider that you’ve been banned because you violate the explicit comment policy on some of these blogs. Just a thought.

    Comment by -L- — November 16, 2008 @ 5:08 pm | Reply

  6. The U.S. government crossed a VERY serious line with PROP 8.

    This “proposition” threatened children’s sense of safety and belongingness in California. Children’s safety.

    Regardless of THIS particular fight, there are way too many fights on way too many fronts for us to conquer piecemeal. The Time is Now – DRAW A NEW LINE in the sand and demand from President Obama and our representatives FULL EQUALITY.

    [Edited for length: I’ve seen this identical post on too many blogs and consider it to be not too far off spam. The poster’s blog is here: gaytaxprotest.blogspot.com.]

    ==================================
    The National Equality Tax Protest
    – Wednesday, April 15th, 2009 –
    ==================================

    Comment by johnbisceglia — November 16, 2008 @ 5:37 pm | Reply

  7. standingfortruth2008: Well, as long as you remain semi-civil, 🙂 you are on my blog.

    Thank you. Likewise.

    BTW, why aren’t you out picketing in front of black churches? The Rev Jackson (Harry, not Jesse) says Gay is Sin.

    He’s welcome to do so. I support freedom of religion… unlike the LDS Church.

    -L-: You might consider that you’ve been banned because you violate the explicit comment policy on some of these blogs. Just a thought.

    Oh yes. Usually an “explicit comment policy” they had to invent after I showed up, prepared to civilly argue till the cows come home, on the lines of “We don’t allow people LIKE THAT to comment on our blog!”

    Comment by jesurgislac — November 16, 2008 @ 6:35 pm | Reply

  8. That was incredibly bizarre. It’s like some kind of mirror-world. You’re very civilly addressing every one of their points and they’re addressing none of yours, but they’re calling you out for not addressing any of their points and for name-calling.

    Comment by Rebecca — November 16, 2008 @ 11:11 pm | Reply

  9. Good comment, Jesurgislac. I doubt they’ll accept mine, but it was worth it to see you easily disassemble his comments bit by bit.

    Keep up the good work.

    Comment by Spherical Time — November 17, 2008 @ 6:57 am | Reply

  10. In final response to Allan Erickson:

    So I guess the bottom line is:
    > the hell with what Christ has to say

    Since when? I like what Jesus Christ had to say. I wrote a post on my blog on What I like about Christianity, and another here You cannot invite someone halfway in.

    “Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.” Luke 6, 37-38

    It seems to me that you are the one who has a problem with what Christ had to say.

    the hell with Christians

    Since when? I have many, many Christian friends.

    the hell with Biblical morality

    Well, depends where in the Bible you take your morality from… I’m all in favor of taking it direct from the gospels: but anti-gay advocates seem to prefer taking it from Leviticus and Paul’s letters. The Bible is a very, very big book. written over an enormous range of time, with a whole range of “Biblical moralities”.

    and the entire Judeo-Christian tradition which gave rise to this wonderful democratic republic

    “Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” – and guaranteed freedom of religion. You are the one objecting to these strong traditions of the democratic republic you claim is “wonderful”.

    to hell with 5,000 years of human tradition

    Which includes so many same-sex relationships and so much love. You are the one saying “to hell” with that: we’re not.

    to hell with the laws of nature

    The laws of nature are that normal human sexual orientation ranges from heterosexual to homosexual – like normal sexual orientation in any mammal. You are the one saying “to hell” with this.

    to hell with contemporary studies demonstrating “the lifestyle” is unhealthy and destructive, because . . .

    …these “contemporary studies” are bigoted, hateful, and discriminatory. As discussed above.

    Sodomy and Cunnilingus practiced by homosexuals should be exalted above all else and be given equal marriage status

    Tut tut. It’s none of your business how two people make love in private. Do not indulge in prurient speculation.

    Comment by jesurgislac — November 18, 2008 @ 7:30 pm | Reply

  11. I never delete comments on my blog unless they are spam or uneditable.

    I have edited comments to remove obscenities and direct attacks on people. (I have also removed personal material that I thought the commenter was unwise for sharing.) I have not had to ban anyone. I would only do so if the person forced me to edit his or her comments too often.

    You are welcome to comment on my blog anytime. I will give your comments a fair hearing and probably respond. I am one conservative/libertarian who believes in free speech and tolerance. I have written a lot on both subjects.

    As for your right to boycott, I am all for it, as long as you personally support the right of others to boycott for reasons you disagree with. I am pretty disgusted that a lot of the Hollywood folks are blacklisting people after decades of blasting McCarthyism as the ultimate sin.

    Comment by renaissanceguy — December 12, 2008 @ 11:59 pm | Reply

  12. Thanks for the comments that you have posted on my blog. They stay closely on topic, and you ask very good questions.

    Comment by renaissanceguy — December 13, 2008 @ 6:57 am | Reply


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