Jesurgislac’s Journal

November 13, 2008

God needs Proposition 8 like God needs a starship

I’ve heard from a lot of people over the past week or so that Proposition 8 was just and right because it’s against the will of God for two men or two women to marry, and it’s appalling not to follow the will of God, so the Constitution of California had to be amended to prevent same-sex marriages.

Star Trek V is probably my least favourite Trek movie ever, but there’s an exchange of dialogue in it that illustrates this argument for Proposition 8 perfectly.

Towards the end of STV, Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Sybok (Spock’s half-brother, if you had forgotten) are standing in awe before God. Awesome, all-powerful, supreme being: Sybok believes, McCoy’s been converted, Spock is trembling on the edge – and Kirk steps forward and asks a very important question:

Kirk: What does God need with a starship?
McCoy: Jim, what are you doing?
Kirk: I’m asking a question.
God: Who is this creature?
Kirk: Who am I? Don’t you know? Aren’t you God?
Sybok: He has his doubts.
God: You doubt me?
Kirk: I seek proof.
McCoy: Jim! You don’t ask the Almighty for his ID!
God: Then here is the proof you seek. [Hits Kirk with lightning]
Kirk: Why is God angry?
Sybok: Why? Why have you done this to my friend?
God: He doubts me.
Spock: You have not answered his question. What does God need with a starship?
God: [hits Spock with lightning; then addresses McCoy] Do you doubt me?
McCoy: I doubt any God who inflicts pain for his own pleasure.

These people claim they believe in God. Yet the God they believe in is a God that they believe needs secular legislation to enforce His will on His people. Their God needs Proposition 8.

They don’t doubt their God needs a starship – and they won’t doubt a God that inflicts pain for his own pleasure.


  1. I think it’s pretty apparent that those people who claim to be Christians, yet are obviously hateful and judgmental do so in order to feel morally superior to the rest of us.

    It’s obvious after our last exchange, which was purported to be a wrap up of opinions and turned into a lecture session, that group think is acceptable along the lines of quoting Bible verses, but that tolerance and following God’s Greatest Commandment are all optional.

    Comment by thebenevolentdictator — November 13, 2008 @ 8:42 pm | Reply

  2. Yeah – I read till the end, including Evenshine’s last comments to you, and she did get pretty over the line about your religion. But then she would have to: having just lectured me about how all Christians feel, along comes a Christian to say she’s wrong… so of course you have to be wrong.

    And that line “marriage as it has always been, since recorded time” – oh god. Good thing she closed comments, actually, since that’s as historically false as the “US law is based on Judeo-Christian religion” stuff…

    Must remember XKCD.

    Comment by jesurgislac — November 14, 2008 @ 12:11 am | Reply

  3. Thanks for the hilarious link, that broke the tension. I have gotten NO work done today due to the fact that I am seething. Good luck to you.

    Comment by thebenevolentdictator — November 14, 2008 @ 12:15 am | Reply

  4. Any time I read Star Trek used to describe current news is incredible. Job well done.

    Comment by Montgomery Lopez — November 14, 2008 @ 3:08 am | Reply

  5. Chronicle Podcasts : House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on the presidential race…San Francisco Chronicle – May 28, 2008

    Like Barack Obama, I am strongly opposed to the notion of gay marriage. That is also the official position of the Democratic National Committee.”

    Comment by ridgeliner7 — November 14, 2008 @ 10:09 am | Reply

  6. Not sure what you think the relevance of this is to that post, Ridgeliner. Apologies for not unscreening it sooner: for some reason it had gone to the spam filter instead of the moderated comments filter.

    Comment by jesurgislac — November 14, 2008 @ 4:37 pm | Reply

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